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conditions for many and slower holiday travel. look at where you can expect delays. president obama spending the last few hours in hawaii relaxing before he heads back to washington to hope to get a deal and avoid the fiscal cliff. we look at what happens if the deal does not happen. spoiler alert, it will cause you money. grapevine, david gregory could be in trouble for a segment on his sunday show. we show you what happened. "special report" starts at 6:00 p.m. eastern standard time. now back to new york and "the five." ♪ ♪ ♪ >> kimberly: is it a horrible offense to be too good look? apparently so in iowa. they ruled a dentist james night had a right to fire his dental assistant melissa nelson for being too irresistible. and a perceived threat to his marriage. nelson worked in the office for ten years said she viewed knight as father figure and was fired after his wife complained about his infatuation with her. >> after working for so many years side-by-side, i didn't have any idea that that would have crossed his mind. i think it sends a message that men can do whatever they want in
,000 and above? we see obama not oftenning cuts at all. looking for spending. >> kimberly: managing the message very well. conciliatory. >> andrea: boehner did -- boehner has taken heat. in his defense he has taken a ton of flak on this. he has given a terrible hand of cards. but he came to the table. he tried to at least bring something to the floor. mitch mcconnell knows he can't pass anything, any tax cut for everyone under $1 million. kimberly, that wouldn't even pass the senate. >> juan: allow me to introduce a little sanity to this forum. >> andrea: yes, juan. >> juan: say it's incredit to believe me he would say they're far apart. they're not far apart. boehner wants $1 trillion to new revenue. closing loopholes or deduction or whatever. obama is $1.2 trillion. that is not far apart. in terms of cut, boehner said one for one. $1 trillion in terms of the spending cuts. obama is 1.3 more on boehner -- let me finish. obama has stimulus spending built in. they are not far apart. [ overtalk ] >> eric: boehner can get $1 million and below -- just dance is because -- listen, you can't blame tha
of obama and his taxes and spending. gerri: i don't understand why people aren't marching on the hill. i really don't. this is what we hired them for, to iron out these differences, and no one is doing the job. let's take a look at the numbers for folks that are married. if you make $50,000 per year, you'll pay an additional $2000 in taxes. if you pay $100,000, an additional $446 in taxes. the list goes on. you make it to make a million dollars, an additional $50,000 in taxes. this will cause people to reinve the way th lived day-to-day. i don't see why people are upset abt this. they should be. but all of the tax cut that you just mentioned, it is due to the disappearance of the bush tax cuts. the democrats all voted against the bush tax cuts. so they voted to keep those tax increases, not next year, but for the previous 12 years. so you have a very big fight in washington. the democrats have opposed the bush tax cuts, call them names, said they were for rich people, now that they are about to disappear, they are running for the hills. because they know that that was the tax cut that la
wrong. if you put tax increases on the table, you never get spending all obama's done for the last four years is clamor for higher taxes to spend more money. the only time we've ever beat him back on spending at all was during the debt ceiling crisis where republicans said we're not giving any tax increases. we have to have $2.5 billion in spending cuts. then you can have your debt ceiling. they won that fight. in '82 reagan put taxes on the table. spending cuts never happened. '90, bush put tax increases on the table, spending cuts never happened. obama never even put spending cuts on the table. he's putting spending increases on the table for another round of solyndra stimulus spending. he was willing to save money, $1 trillion, but not occupying iraq for the next decade. they kicked him out of the country a little while ago, but he wanted to count that like not continuing the war of 1812 as his budget cut. >> don't you feel though we're at such a fiscal crisis situation that there needs to be compromise on both sides though? there has to be some give to get something done? >> oh, abs
to be approved congress. >>> president obama is spending christmas with some of the nation's bravest men and women. greeting marines at a gays near their vacation home in hawaii paying tribute to them and their family. an annual vacation tradition for president obama. that is your 5@5:00. >>> speaking of the president. fox news confirming he will be cutting his vacation short to get back to work on the fiscal cliff. peter doocy has more. >> president obama will departed hawaii for washington, d.c. late tonight leaving his wife michelle and daughters sasha and malia behind. the latest guidance we have from white house is that the president will be back here in the nation's capital where it is presently 36 degrees sometime tomorrow morning. united states government is set to go off the fiscal cliff on new year's day. at this point we don't know if the president plans to return at the to hawaii if the tax hikes are avoided well in advance of the of the new year. he's there to talk to himself. john boehner will come back at any time. his office told us it would be sometime after christmas. s
. the big question is, president obama's increased spending a lot over the past four years. how will he get the revenue from that? is raising tax rates on the so-called rich enough to do it? no, it's not. it doesn't bring in enough money. one the ways he might do it is to squeeze the energy companies a little more. coming up, ceo of southern company, one of the most important guys in the universe will join us right here to say if he expects the big squeeze from the white house. >> i'm david asman with your fox business brief and here east one crisis averted anyway. unions representing dock workers and shippers reached a agreement delaying a strike that could have cripple the u.s. economy. longshoremen and maritime alliance agreed to postpone for 30 days. >>> this would mark the best year for the auto industry since 2007, but experts say the gains made in december could be overshadowed in january because of concerns about the fiscal cliff. >>> the chinese government announcing stiff new rules and requiring users to provide real names to service providers. the move place as greater burden on
-- obama is not offering cuts at all. he is lock looking for spending. >> he is managing the message. so it seems like he's being conciliatory. boehner hassen a lot of heat. he has taken a ton of slack on this. he was given a tential hand of cards. but he came to the table. he tried to at least bring something to the floor. mitch mcconnell knows he is not going to be able to pass anything, any tax cuts. kimberly that, wouldn't pass the senate. let me tell you that. >> allow me to introduce just a little bit of sanity to this forum and say that -- >> yes, juan, please! >> it's incredible to me that you would say they are far apart. actually, they are not far apart. boehner wants a trillion in new revenue, however he gets it, closing loopholes, deductions. obama is $1.2. that's not far apart. boehner says let's have one for one, $twenty1 trillion in cuts. obama is $1.3, actually, more than barron, dmeapt -- let me finish -- except that obama has stimulus spending built in there. these guys are not far apart. but what we have -- >> the problem -- [overlapping dialogue] >> boehner can get a
party. president obama is therefore offering his original position, $250,000 and below. on spending cuts president obama proposed $1.2 trillion, about equal to what he was asking in revenue. boehner passed draconian spending cuts in the house with no revenue component. on extended unemployment insurance, another check for the president. nada for boehner. on the debt limit president obama proposed a structure similar to what republican leader mitch mcconnell proposed last year. boehner wants to hold the nation's full faith and credit hostage once again to attain even more spending cuts. president obama even threw in an added incentive for republicans, by agreeing to a change in the way social security increases are calculated. no such olive branch was ever extended by republicans. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question, is john boehner's move to reconvene the house a face-saving political move or a genuine effort to reach a deal? text a for political. text b for genuine effort. to 622639. or go to our blog at.msnbc.com. i'll bring you the results later
that republicans for cutting spending. you heard mitt romney criticize president obama because he's not spending enough on ships, which we don't need, and not staying long enough in the war zones. the republicans' view of spending is very particular one. secondly, as far as the american people are concerned, people in their districts, gee, if they represent districts in new jersey and new york they want more spending. you know, people -- if you ask them they want government pending they say no. do you want to cut medicare? no, not that. how about firefighters? people boast of cutting government. when was the last time you heard them cut fire department or cut down on snow removal? in fact the republicans tend to be opposed to spending in general. when it comes to particular spending, remember paul ryan acknowledging he was seeking to get the stimulus money that he was denouncing. but in any case, it's not the democratic position we should put all of the increased revenue into spending. by the way, i believe much of government spending is very important. there are things that we need for the qual
a solution. give us one, john. >> meanwhile, president obama is spending christmas in hawaii where he and the first lady attended the holiday memorial service for the late u.s. senator from daniel inouye. >> white house correspondent kristen welker. kristen, obviously they always say the white house travels with the president wherever he is. that's where the white house is. the president, though, is enjoying vacation, but still continuing to keep tabs on the fiscal cliff negotiations, correct? >> he is. white house officials describe this as a working vacation. i think there have been maybe a few conversations at the staff level about the fiscal cliff, but the reality is, thomas, the negotiations have largely stalled. you remember president obama on friday urging lawmakers to take this time off to really cool off, come back later this week with a appreciate perspective. i think you're going to see the hard work, the real negotiations resume when lawmakers go back into session after the christmas holiday. now, last week it seemed as though president obama, house speaker john boehner we
the massive spending, $8 trillion in debt obama is running up over the next decade. republicans have several schools. right now they have very little leverage onra this debate over e fiscal cliff because that stuff happens automatically, but the idea of a debt ceiling increasef they told obama more than once if you want a trillion dollars, you will need that eight times in the next decade they will have to cut spending a trillion have to cut spending a trillion eric: i'm a republican, congressman, senator tax pledge to not raise taxes. teo if somebody approaches me and says here is a bill that says if youhi sign this we will cut taxn for 98%, how can you say no to that? my point is this. the administration is winning the war of optics. if they played it this way, do they not win? >> they won the war of optics so far because everything has beene done. done inside closed walls.nd f if c-span, fox are able to videotape the negotiations, the kind of thing we're learning now about obama that i have no interest in cutting spending, just want tax increases. he has been lying about his negotiating p
are doing about it. have a look. president obama spending christmas eve on the links in honolulu with friends. while lawmakers relax at home for the holidays. right now the senate looks like it might be the only hope for a compromise deal. can a deal be struck? white house correspondent brianna is traveling with the first family in honolulu, hawaii. hey, brianna, good morning. >> good morning, to you, it's been many silent nights actually in washington these days. not because there's nobody there to sort of figure out what's going on with the fiscal cliff but also, because folks really aren't talking. we know the white house is talking to senate democrats as we look to the senate as he reconvene on thursday, really, the last-ditch effort to try to do something. as of yet, congressional democrats in the white house are not talking with congressional republicans. that's even at the staff level. what we're expecting now is that the senate majority leader harry reid will try to get something together to get republican support in both the house and the senate. but what they're looking
in what is said anymore. if you look at the record of spending -- mr. forbes mentioned mr. obama's spending being higher than the bush years. that is not true. the deficit which increases our debt grew so much under obama because he put both wars into the budget. george bush kept them out of the budget, was not paying for them, so things looked good. in the first few years of the obama administration, he created more jobs than george bush did in eight years. george bush's comment was the surpluses are for spending. he put us in massive debt, left it on obama. these people sit here and watch these idiots on tv say these things are not true. and then they go and push based on what they're hearing instead of looking into the fact of the matter. host: mr. forbes? guest: i did make mention that spending did increase dramatically under george bush. no matter how you account for the wars, domestic spending under president obama increased very substantially to the point that it is the highest it has been without a world war. that is why we're getting these massive deficits today. we have
for is increasing taxes that will only pay for 8 1/2 days of government spending. now president obama has not been a leader on this. he's not been serious. he's been acting weak and, of course, clinging to his radical ideology. enough is enough. maybe it's time to have the republicans call the president's bluff. let him take the country over the fiscal cliff if he so chews. republicans were elected to get the fiscal house in order. maybe it's time to stand up for your kids, your grandchildren. maybe they should dig in their heels and say they are looking out for the future and future generations. maybe now is is a time to take a principle stand and say they are not going to let washington continue with the out of control spending, the debts and deficit. maybe now at this moment maybe that's the right thing to do. joining me now with reaction to the developing steer are congressman loui gomert and -- go ahead. >> i can totally with him that he cannot imagine our consciouses in the house because you would have to have one to imagine ours, and he's shown repeatedly over three years of no budget? come
out in the world though it is hard to find in washington these days. president obama spending holidays in beautiful hawaii where reports now surfaced where he is looking to strike a smaller fiscal deal that would extend tax cuts for the middle class but not tackling any spending cuts. chief white house correspondent ed henry is live in honolulu with more. ed, for the first time, people like joe lieberman are saying i really think we'll go over the cliff. what do you hear? >> reporter: it's a real possibility, you're right. we're a week out. people on both sides have been talking this thing to death. it might need a christmas miracle at this point to avoid going off the cliff. the president scaled back plan basically would extend unemmoment benefits for two million people who will lose them a week after christmas if there is no deal. he also wants to extend tax cuts for 98% of americans. you heard him talk about that again and again. that level of $250,000 or less. the republicans have not afreed to that on the hill obviously. when you talk to folks like senator lindsey graham, they say
himself reelected. then we have massive spending, $8 trillion in debt that obama's running up the next decade. republicans have several tools. right now we have very well leverage in the debate over the fiscal cliff because that stuff happens automatically but the idea of a debt ceiling increase, they've told obama if you want a trillion dollars in higher debt and he needs that eight times in the next decade, you have to cut spending a trillion dollars. >> here, i'll ask you again. 0 i'm a republican congressman and i signed your tax pledge to not raise taxes. if someone says here's a bill that says if you sign this we will cut taxes for 98% of americans. how could you say no? my point is, the administration is winning the war of optics. if they played it out this way, do they not win? >> well, they've won the war of optics so far because everything's been done in camera. it's been done inside closed walls. if c-span and fox and -- were able to videotape the negotiations, the kind of thing we're learning now about how obama said i have no interesting in cutting spending, he's been lyin
year end tax hikes and spending cuts as president obama warns failure could mean, quote, a self-inflicted wound to the economy. mike emmanuel live. after a lot of focus on john boehner, kind of sounds like democrats and others are counting on the top senate republican to get a deal. is that about right? mitch mcconnell? >> that is spot on. this has been a lot of talk about senator mitch mcconnell's ability to be a deal maker. one area he's working on is the threshold for extending the bush tax cuts. the $250,000 mark has been what democrats have been pitching. negotiations seem to be heading toward keeping the current tax rate for those making up to $400,000, a key senate conservative sounds hopeful. >> i do think that something will happen over the next few days relative to the revenue piece and hopefully we can rescue most americans from a tax increase. but what we haven't dealt with again is the spending component. >> since it is not expected that increasing the nation's borrowing ability, the debt limit will be part of this deal, conservatives may be able to fight for spendi
we are at. if you look at spending cuts first, barack obama has basically moved about $325 billion on spending and speaker boehner, according to the last real public offer, has moved about $350 billion. i think it is fair to say had both moved relatively equally. but if you turned to tax increases, obama has already moved from, again the last public real offer $355 billion while boehner's moved only $150 billion. less than half. and then finally, and i want to go to you to unpack this. the stimulus money. this is not to be forgotten. we are in a recession. and many economists say that whatever else you do with long-term entitlement reform which is real, another real thing is growing the economy. obama has moved $250 billion. the number that boehner has moved on that stimulus is zero from the last final comprehensive offer. what do you make of that pacting that we are not mere the 50-yard line anymore? >> we also add that not only has boehner month moved, he can't get his own caucus to vote on the plan he brought forward. we are not only talking about symbolic gestures here, we are
spending, $8 trillion in debt that obama's running up the next decade. republicans have several tools. right now we have very well leverage in the debate over the fiscal cliff because that stuff happens automatically but the idea of a debt ceiling increase, they've told oba if you want a trillion dollar in higher debt and he needs that eight times in the next decade, you have to cut spending a trillion dollars. >> here, i'll ask you again. 0 i'm a republican congressman and i signed your tax pledge to not raise taxes. if someone says here's a bill that says if you sign this we will cut taxes for 98% of americans. how could youay no? my point is, the administration is winning the war of optics. if they played it out this way, do they not win? >> well, they've won the war of optics so far because everything's been done in camera. it's been done inside closed walls. if c-span and fox and -- were able to videotape the negotiations, the kind of thing we're learning nowbout how obama said i have no interesting in cutting spending, he's been lying for two mons about his negotiationing positi
increases. 36% say that obama is more to blame for not agreeing to more spending cuts and 15% blame both sides. joining us now from new york, julie riganski, a democratic strategist and here in washington, steven moore, a member of the "wall street journal" editorial board. sesteven, let's start with you. great to hear harry reid on this. the last time i checked the do so called proposal that a he put forth in july didn't really receive any support and only dealt with tax increases. it wasn't a comprehensive deal and didn't involve real spending cuts it was just raise tax and it went no where. for him to blame republicans, come on. >> don't forget, it has been 13 hyundais since hair arery reid even passed a budget out of the united states senate. we don't even know what the united states senators stand for in terms of the budget debate. the same thing on taxes. the house actually passed a lot of people don't know that earlier this year the house passed a bill to extend all of the bush era tax cuts for another year until resolve the issue. the senate again didn't act on that. the grave ya
a blame game from the very, very beginning and dana, we saw today president obama take to the sunday shows and spend the whole time blaming republicans. if we go off the cliff, who do you think is going to take the fall for this? i say republicans are just, they're going to go down because it's just tough to run against the white house with a bully pulpit. >> and i just believe that you can't worry about the short-term pr effects of something, that you have to do what's right based on principle and be able to get up in the morning and look in the mirror and say i stood on principle and i did what was right. when mitch mcconnell is speaking if you strip out the fact that there's all the other noise, what he's saying is actually true. i think that policy based on fact is better policy based on revenge. one comment on the interview president obama did with david gregory he taped it yesterday afternoon at the very same honor that mcconnell was actually trying to get a deal done. so to me, the president actually wants an argument more than a deal. he could have been helpful and instrumental in
on engaging iron and supporting defense spending cuts. on "meet the press" in morning president obama apparently while he didn't say he would name him said he saw nothing in the criticism to block him. senator graham, are republicans going to block chuck hagel if he is the nominee? >> i think a lot of republicans and democrats are concerned about his views on iran sanctions and hamas and hezbollah and that there is wide and deep concern about his policies. all of us like him as a person. it will be up to the president to make the selection. the hearings will matter. they will matter a lot to me and if he sends chuck hagel up there will be a confirmation hearing of consequence. >> chris: you are not prepared to say the republicans would put a hold on his nomination or philly bust. >>> i can tell you there would be very little republican support for his nomination. at the end of the day, very few votes. >> chris: senator feinstein you are going to introduce legislation this week on the first day of the new congress on thursday to ban assault weapons and magazines that hold more than ten
. >> there this is the other part of this. obama doesn't -- obama believes in stimulating the economy through spending. he doesn't believe in making all the cuts. so again, like you are asking him to adopt a world view he doesn't have. >> bret: even though he talked about it many times. >> he does talk about it. >> expounding upon it. fixing social security and medicare. >> anybody who reads paul krugman, grand pubah of economics on the left his worry that the deficit will be reduced too fast. i'm not endorsing this from a policy perspective. i'm telling grow a political perspective this is the situation with the president. so to say he should want cuts that the republicans want is to ask him to adopt a philosophy he doesn't have. i'd say if i was a republican, i would be bothered by republican party not being more specific and holding his feet to fire on it. >> bret: the senate democratic caucus could slip a the white house is saying that the vice president heading up there the time is not firm. >> so we'll be here. >> bret: we'll be here covering it for you. >> big night. >> bret: the countdown to vice
into default unless there are serious and main spending cuts. at that point does this obama victory perhaps look a little different? >> well, i mean, i think the question is, are they really going to want to do what they did last time with the debt ceiling, which ultimately caused us to have a downgrade of our economy. do they want to do that again? i think it is a bit of bluffing. i don't think they really want to do that. in terms of the president winning, he has won, though he will catch a lot of grief as byron alluded to from the left for, if he goes up to 400,000, for example, they think he should stick at 250 and don't want any kind of social security cuts and that is on the table apparently in the the new deal, so in that sense he'll catch flak. but, overall, yes, he'll get what he wanted in terms of taxes, and has given up very little in terms of cuts and, look he didn't run on cutting the government, really. he ran on raising taxes, and, so republicans keep saying, well, there is no cuts, no cuts and the president never really said that much about cuts -- >> you do understand it is
and i will not. >> chris: and, senator feinstein, you heard president obama say we have to t out of the habit and will not start trading debt ceiling increases for spending cuts. >> i think the key to what he is saying is that you don't affect people at this time. who are on these programs. that you do it in a way that it is way in the future. so, that long term, the programs are essentially changed and more constricted. now that is not entirely popular on my side. but, it is realistic, i think. i think, you know, this is a very hard time for people. and, we need to get by this and have a robust economy, and, and cap happen, i'm convinced, if we solve this and move down you can do those things that enable the programs to be solvent on an extended basis, without impacting people directly now. >> chris: senators, we need to take a quick break, when we come back we'll discuss where the investigation of the benghazi terror attack stands now, and, whether congress will act in the new year to try to prevent more mass murders. ♪ to the best vacation spot on earth. (all) the gulf! it d
on the table is he close to a trillion dollars he is simply saying i want a trillion dollars in spending as well. president obama is he close to the same number they are about $300 billion apart. they are 1 hers apart from this whole deal. the problem is they are not putting spending cuts on the table. what they're doing is putting proposed possible cuts but the stimulus spending they are putting on the table also offsets that tax increase that he wants. still looking at trillion-dollar deficit. that just goes to show spending cuts. right now we don't have them. talks about them and there is accounting fuzzy math going on but there is not any serious entitlement reform. we can't just wait and talk about that in january. needs to be included in any package before we go forward. >> you know, juan, the point she is making when we talk about spending cuts. basically a guy pulling the olives off a meat lover's pizza and saying he is on a diet. something so incidental and ignoring this huge huge problem this black hole that is spending. it's true. we are going nowhere. >> no, i disagree. you k
lawmakers are still working out the automatic spending cuts. president obama weighs in saying middle class families can not get caught in the middle. >> the last thing folks like the folks up here on this stage can afford right now is to pay an extra $2,000 in taxes next year. middle-class families can not afford it, businesses cannot afford it, our economy can not afford it. >>trace: traders on wall street are watching the president's comments. the chance of going over the cliff may not look great but the dow is up for the time being. we have fox coverage with wendell at the white house. but, first, mike is live on capitol hill. the senate leader is the -- actually, the minority leader, what is he telling colleagues? >>reporter: he said they are very, very close. he would like to take action to avoid having americans suffer a huge tax increase in a matter of ten hours. there are a lot of anxious senators walking around wondering if or when they will get a chance to vote on something. at 1:19 senator mcconnell sent this e-mail to the colleagues and i quote, "the tax piece is complete and d
in spending cuts. president obama's last offer the one that the republicans rejected was less than $1 trillion in spending cuts. we checked. that would be less than 2% of the $44 trillion the government will spend over the next decade. again, is that the best democrats can do? 2% of all of the spending over the next decade? >> you know, this conversation to me is exactly what is wrong in washington. i mean just listen to the conversation you have is just had. it is he said, she said, blame the other guy. look, i tried to be constructive here and lay out an actual plan to get us nearly $4 trillion by taking the offers that are on the table. speaker boehner and the president were so close and then speaker boehner went off on plan b. i never understood why. had no prospect of succeeding. it did not succeed even in his own caucus. now, the question. >> chris: but you are not answering my question. >> because i tell you something because we only have nine days left here. when are we going to get serious about actual solutions? i would lineback joh welcome jl me. he wants a solution. give us one, jo
with spending restraints. that's why obama does what he does. >> the reason i doubt that, grover, is because we've all done the math and we all absolutely agree on the math that you can't get out of the deficit hole we're in by taxing rich people even if you tax them at 100%. everybody know knows that. so when republicans say we don't have a tax problem, we have a spending problem, the fact is we've got both and we can deal with that. you gave your blessing to the proposal that john boehner put together and so many congressional republicans are scared for voting for something that feels like looks like, a tax increase because they're worried that your organization will come back to haunt them. they signed a pledge, you gave your blessing and they still couldn't get the votes on the floor. what's up with that? why did that not happen? a week ago i was hopeful we might have a deal. >> because the pledge is not to me, it's the american people. it's the people of the state that any congressman or senator is from. they have to feel that they can go to their constituents and say -- i voted against al
're not cutting spending because we're spending too much money. and that sends a very bad signal. if we're not going to do entitlement reform, because every time we talk about it obama says, no, let's raise taxes instead, now we're dealing with tens of trillions of dollars of unfunded liabilities that were not -- for four years obama's done nothing on entitlement reform. nothing, nothing, nothing, for four years. a lot of golf. nothing on entitlement reform. what has he done? chirped about raising taxes on rich people. raising taxes on rich people is what obama talks about instead of doing his job. so it's -- there are two costs to this. one, if you take money out of savings and investment, which is what you're doing with this, it doesn't help, it reduces the incentives to save, invest, and work. and the other thing you do is you never get to reform government entitlements. >> that's not causal, though. >> it is, it is, absolutely. >> it's not. >> you live in new york. i live in d.c. >> yeah. >> washington. this is all causal. the reason he's talking about tax increases is to avoid the
forward a little bit more, president obama more on spending reductions including entitlement reform, he did do some and mr. boehner, speaker boehner coming forward not just $1 million having a tax raise, those earning $400,000 to $500,000, you can get the grand bargain. it's not what we are talking today. get the fiscal cliff to where you change the scale to a bunny slope, where the skier can pick up speed, accelerate the economy up to 3%, only reducing the debt reduction down 200 billion. then with the surging economy, you get $3 trillion in february before the debt limit is broken, then the economy is so strong it can take the grand compromise and roar into the next nine years. that's the grand compromise. >> i heard you use that reference of the bunny slope. we are about to hit the bunny slope as opposed to the fiscal cliff. this is from an article in the washington post. if an agreement is reached, taxes would go up a bit for the wealthy. there would be no changes to entitlement programs, medicare, social security, no grand strategy to race cash through a tax code. a fresh start for
it the obama cliff and said we should swan dive over the cliff because it would be one thing democrats could get through their head when they cut spending. >> i agree completely. this is crazy that we're even having that discussion, eric. august spending 256-171 the ryan budget was passed extending tax relief for all americans. 19 democrats voted for that. it was handed to mr. reid, mr. obama starting the warfare about taxing the rich. reid sat on the bill. why didn't he bring it up for a vote? why didn't it get fair debate? mr. reid hasn't passed a budget and we going to believe they're serious about the fiscal problems? let's go offense the cliff. >> we have two cameras outside the white house right now. that one i believe is perched on pennsylvania avenue and we have another camera which is perched facing the side entrance. those are the suvs that likely boehner, mcconnell, pelosi and reid will come out of. let's talk about the deal. what if there's a deal, craig, for, i don't know, say 4 hr $500,000 the threshold of who gets taxes and who keeps -- everybody under that number keeps their
, response to the part about spending cuts, and what is spending cuts is the obama administration talking about, guaranteed spending cuts? >> they already accepted a trillion dollars in domestic spending cuts in next 10 years. they put on the table additional cuts in medicare and social security not as much as republicans want but clearly they have moved on that. and i also think there will be substantial defense cuts, if we want to make a dent in the deficit. i mean this is the choice that is going to be in front of us. if, we have to do four things if we want to reduce the deficit. we have to get more revenue, we have to cut domestic spending, we have to trim and reform the health care programs in particular of medicare and medicaid and we have to cut defense. if we do all four of those things we can make significant down payment getting deficit under control. if we do some of them, the numbers are not there enough to make as much progress as we want. this is where mark and i agree. over next six to nine months we could see substantial progress towards smart fiscal policy in the country
and the republicans to do a deal with obama. the simple reason, tom, obama will not agree to any significant spending cut. so why give him any kind of a grand bargain that the press will give him credit for and he can end the year as some kind of victorious guy? if you look at the u.s. deficit is about $4 trillion a year. these tax increases cover about 400 billion. that's 9 or 10%. that's. it the rest of this battle is over entitlements. i mean the democrats could solve this whole thing simply by agreeing to a minor increase, just a two year increase. >> the president did put that on the table and the republicans reject that. the real issue here is there going to be a self-inflicted wound to the economy? the uncertainty here. either way taxes on the wealthy are going up. they'll go up under a deal approved in the last hours which may or may not happen or if it doesn't, there's no deal, then we go over the so-called cliff and the tax goes up there. so either way taxes are going up. >> if the president wanted a deal on entitlements, all he has to do is raise the age from social security to 65 to 67, m
's president obama's way of saying, look, vote on his basic proposal, the proposal that would extend middle-class tax cut, deal with spending cuts. it's a basic plan that the president is calling for. something similar has already passed so the white house feels confident that what the president is calling for could again pass through the senate and get through the house. in order for that to happen, richard, that would involve every single democrat in the house voting for it as well as about 30 republicans. so the question is could they actually get that many republicans to vote for this pack am that the president is calling for. but politically what he is doing is essentially saying this is the plan i'm putting forth, let's get it through the senate and if it fails, it will fail through the senate house, letting republicans own that failure. putting it in a box. president obama giving the lawmakers here two options. one, to come up with their own alternative proposal. of course, that's something senate majority leader harry reid will work on. if not, he'll say put my plan to basic up or d
will be smaller than what president obama wanted, but will come separate from spending cuts, at least at the outset, and another set of negotiations after the new year, that will have spending cuts and taxes in it. it seems to me that that's a recipe for republicans to end up getting a lot more in taxes than they would have got in all with an up-front deal. are your colleagues worried about that at all, or are you? >> first of all, you're enlightening me on something i'm not aware of. that was not the conversation i had with my colleagues across the aisle and that wasn't the conversation i had with the minority leader. so you have information that i don't have. look, you can't solve the problem with taxes. you have to do both. this country is in trouble, fiscally and financially as well as ratings. and if weap don't do something significant, we'll see another rating cut. and there'll come a time when the interest costs, we cannot afford. so the question comes is, what is the best thing we can do now, given the political dynamics that are in washington that actually make some differenc
for a possible plan on taxes and spending. president obama was on "meet the press of" today saying the pressure is on congress to make a deal. he was optimistic, but he said that they cannot come to an agreement, he wants the senate majority leader to introduce legislation to make sure middle class taxes stay where they are. live coverage of the senate on c-span2 when the gavel in. the house out to woodcock with the boats as early as 6:00 looking at a number of legislation from veterans to foreign aid. you can watch the house live here on c-span. >> republican olympia snowe from maine is also retiring at the end of the 112th congress after three terms. next, her farewell address. it is about 35 minutes. >> i rise today with an infinite appreciation for the institution of the united states senate as well as a profound sense of gratitude. as i prepared to conclude my 18 years in the senate and my nearly 40 years in elected office on behalf of the people of maine. madam president, it has been difficult to envision the day when i would be saying farewell to the senate. just as it was impossible to
to prevent massive spending cuts and tax hikes from kicking in january 1st. president obama appeared today on nbc's "meet the press" and said the cuts in spending need to be fairly distributed. >> what i'm not willing to do is to have the entire burden of deficit reduction rest on the shoulders of seniors making students pay a higher student loan rates, ruining our capacity to invest in things like basic research that help our economy grow. >> in news overseas the bodies of the dead are being carried away in syria today. at least 397 people were killed saturday. that is the deadliest day so far in the 21-month long civil war. another 52 died today. the joint u.n. arab league envoy said the situation is rapidly deteriorating but that a solution is still possible. >>> in massachusetts boston's mayor lifted a snow emergency a little earlier today. more than a foot of snow fell on several towns across that state overnight. crews are clearing tons of snow in the gillette stadium now preparing for the patriots/dolphins game this afternoon. >>> keep it here as the clock ticks to the fiscal cliff.
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